Health Babes Podcast #066: How to Improve the Function of Your Gut, Liver & Lymphatic System with Dr. Marisol Teijeiro

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Intro: (00:03)

Welcome to the Health Babes podcast with Dr. Becky Campbell and Krystal Hohn, where we talk everything health.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (00:14)

Hey guys, welcome to the Health Babes podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Becky Campbell, with Dr. Krystal Hohn. Today we have Dr. Marisol on. She’s great. She’s from Queen of the Thrones. She talks all about castor oil and castor oil packs and why they’re good for your liver—and not only your liver but your thyroid and your gut health. There are so many different uses for castor oil that we actually learned some stuff from her, and it’s really amazing. Towards the end, you’re going to hear how she uses them for hormone health and actually to help with conception. So we’re so excited for you to hear this episode.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (00:51)

Well, we have Dr. Marisol with us, with the amazing castor oil packs that she has. We’re so pumped to have you on. Thanks for coming on!

Dr. Marisol: (00:59)

Thank you. Thank you so much, Krystal. It’s a pleasure. I love the work you ladies do. It’s amazing!

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (01:04)

Aw, thank you. Yes, we’re obsessed with your stuff. We’re so excited to talk about castor oil. So for those who don’t know about castor oil, what exactly is it?

Dr. Marisol: (01:13)

Castor oil is a vegan oil that is unique to the Mediterranean basin. So it comes from Greece, Spain, and southern Italy. And it’s highly produced in India as well, and now in Brazil and different areas in Mexico. This is an oil that has been used by ancient doctors [dating] back to Hippocratic times in ancient Greece. The Roman doctor to the empresses, who dealt with mainly problems with ovaries and fertility, would use castor oil packs, and his name was Pliny the Elder. So it’s truly an amazing oil that is all-natural, supports the body’s ability to function better by reducing inflammation, and is a wonderful antihistamine, which I know is very important to you ladies. It’s an excellent antihistamine because it’s high in quercetin [with] amazing antioxidants like vitamin E. And it’s just this oil that does actions beyond other oils. It’s a nitric oxide promoter, which means that it helps to support smooth muscle contraction.

Dr. Marisol: (02:16)

The molecular look of it is actually very similar to a prostaglandin that naturally occurs in your body and reduces inflammation. When I fell in love with castor oil, I remember working in my early days in the natural health industry as a sales rep. I was walking into the store, and I saw these bottles that were all dusty at the bottom of the shelf. And I was like: “Why are these bottles so dusty? Like, I don’t understand it!” And when I inquired about it, I was amazed, and I’m like, ‘This oil needs to be told to the world!”

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (02:45)

Yes, everyone.

Dr. Marisol: (02:46)

Everyone should be using castor oil. And then I found out about the castor oil pack, and that changed my life.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (02:55)

So we use their cast oil packs ourselves, and we use them with all of our patients. We tend to use liver castor oil packs. So can you explain how that’s absorbed into the skin and what the benefits of that are?

Dr. Marisol: (03:11)

Awesome. Yes. The liver pack is the classical traditional castor oil pack. And the castor oil—actually, it’s molecular structure—if you touch the oil, it’s very different. It’s sticky, it’s gooey, and it’s very different from other oils you’re familiar with. Because of its structure, it’s actually able to pass through the top layer of the scale and go deep into the body and into the actual liver. This is hypothetical; I can’t say exactly if that’s the case. But like many things in medicine and science, they’re always researching. But the thought is that Castor actually does go deeply and work the liver and lymphatic systems, and it moves into the circulatory system as well.

Dr. Marisol: (03:51)

So when you’re doing a castor oil pack… And people think it might just be the oil, but actually, it isn’t just the oil. The oil is only 50% of the treatment. Yes, the oil is an antihistamine, a nitric oxide promoter, moves smooth muscle, is antioxidant-rich, is anti-inflammatory, and is a pain reliever. Awesome! But it’s actually the castor oil pack because you’re engaging in compression medicine and compression science. The compress has been used in medicine since the beginning of time, right? You’ve got a boo-boo? Put a bandaid on it; make it better. Or what about the rice formula? Rest, ice, compress, elevate. Compress is the third letter in there. And the reason why compression is so powerful is because it works the skin as a modality, and the skin has receptors that link back and feed back into the central nervous system. That stimulates your vagal nerve tone, improving your shift into the parasympathetic relaxed state. So that’s an amazing function of it. The other aspect is its triggering of the dermatomes in the traditional Chinese meridians of the body and somatic visceral reflexes depending on where you put the pack on your body.

Dr. Marisol: (05:04)

When you do it over the liver, you’re optimizing the stomach, the pancreas, the gallbladder, the liver, the large intestine, and the small intestine. But you can also do it on other areas, like over the adrenals. You can do it over the ovaries or the uterus. You can do it over the thyroid for thyroid cysts. It really just depends on what part of the body you want to activate, because when you put the pack on those areas, it signals to the body: Attention is needed here, and the blood flow goes, and the lymphatic [system] begins to drain. Everything starts to move in a wonderful direction that is ultimately foundational for your healing because, in my opinion, I feel that healing really depends on what comes in and what comes out—your body’s ability to get out what you don’t need—and castor packs help with that.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (05:58)

Yes. So for those listening, and they’re like, “Okay, well if I start using these…,” what are some of the benefits that they can see with this? If they’re putting it over the liver, even over the bowels, kind of walk us through some of the benefits.

Dr. Marisol: (06:12)

Awesome. Our liver pack was our first pack that we launched, and it’s a pack that I’ve been using at the beginning of my practice and what I used for myself at the start. I love that how people feel about it is the same as how I experienced it when I first tried it. When I first did the castor oil liver pack, I put it on my body, and truly, to me, it felt like the sky opened up and the angels began to sing. I felt the immediate sensation of relaxation, which was actually my barrier to curing [myself]. And this is a barrier to curing [oneself] for so many different patients: Being unable to relax, accept, and receive the treatment that they’re getting. So that shifted my mindset on everything. And then testimonials and feedback from patients with our company: The testimonial we get the most is that it’s a game changer for your health.

Dr. Marisol: (06:58)

And then they always follow that by: “I poop better now, I sleep better now, and I simply feel better. And I seem to deal with stress a little better every day.” Those are major moves in life. If we as doctors can shift people out of that stress state, move them into the parasympathetic state, and allow them to be in a place where healing is actually possible, that, number one, helps patient compliance. So you get your patients to do things better because they’re like, “Hey, I’m feeling a bit better right away!” There are so many great benefits to it. It became my foundation in practice. And the reason I brought the product to market is that I basically wanted to give it to my patients, and I wanted to have a really healthy source because I didn’t love how people were doing it. When I did recommend it, they would take an old cloth that they would be cleaning their stove with with chemicals and then pour oil on it and put it on their liver. And I’m like, “What are you doing here? This is not right. So the reason I did it was selfish because I wanted packs for myself. And then, of course, when I was in practice, I was like, “I need to do this for my people because my people need it.”

Dr. Becky Campbell: (08:08)

Yes. They’re so convenient because they’re messy otherwise, like [with] other types I’ve used. And [with] these, you can put them on before you go to bed and just go to sleep or whatever. You don’t have to sit there and hold it or whatever. So we love those.

Dr. Marisol: (08:22)

It’s awesome. And the thing, too, is doing it while you sleep, because many people don’t understand the reason why we do it while you sleep. That’s honestly probably the very best time you could do it because what you’re doing is optimizing the body’s natural functions during the evening. While we sleep is our time of cleansing and detox. This is very, very clear in the medical work of the ancients, the traditional Chinese medical practice, and, of course, ayurvedic medicine. They all have body clocks and body times. And modern medicine is doing a lot of work with chronobiology. You can go do a quick review and look at PubMed and start to see how the liver is more optimal during the evening hours while you sleep and how the microbiome is more effective.

Dr. Marisol: (09:07)

Wearing a castor oil pack in the evening while you sleep is the best because, between the hours of 11:00 and 1:00 AM at night, you’re activating the gallbladder and the gallbladder dumps. And that gallbladder dump is a signal for liver detox and enterohepatic circulation to begin, for the entire cycle of detox while you sleep to happen. And after the liver, it shifts over to the gallbladder from 11:00 to 1:00. The liver gets activated from 1:00 to 3:00. Then it shifts on over to the hour of the lungs. The hour of the lungs is powerful because where the heart is the pump of the circulatory system, the lungs are the pump of the lymphatic system. And when you actually wear your pack over your three lower ribs and over your liver and you’re in the prone [position]—so you’re lying on your back sleeping and you take inhalations and exhalations—the pack actually works mechanically to pump your lymphatics because you’re inhaling from inside and the pack is staying here, and then you’re exhaling and space is being made. So it actually has a bit of a mechanical function too. These packs are superb. Superb.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (10:22)

That’s really cool.

Dr. Marisol: (10:21)

Isn’t that neat?

Dr. Becky Campbell: (10:22)

It’s probably good if you go out drinking to throw one of those on.

Dr. Marisol: (10:27)

It’s really good for when you go out drinking. It is really good. It’s also really, really great during fasting because fasting is cleansing and therapeutic. We all know it’s been forever that people have been fasting. If you have a small pet, they get sick, they start to fast, and they won’t eat. But fasting has sometimes some symptomology with it—some symptoms. You might get constipated, you might feel a bit stressed, or your blood sugar might initially do some tweaks where it balances long-term. But castor oil packs are phenomenal during fasting because they superbly enhance and upregulate cleansing, detoxification, and the movement of the lymphatics. So you maximize your fast. Whatever type of fast you’re doing—a three-day fast, a 30-day fast, or intermittent fasting—you maximize it. So it’s such a great tool, foundationally.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (11:22)

Speaking of symptoms, what about with the castor oil packs, can they cause any symptoms?

Dr. Marisol: (11:27)

They are very, very well tolerated. [For] thousands of people, we’ve worked with castor oil packs, and we get very, very few comments or problems about not feeling well with them. One that is very interesting to note as clinicians and for people who are doing castor oil packs regularly is dehydration, or if they don’t go to the bathroom because typically people wear a pack, they’ll fall asleep right away. They’ll be able to sleep really, really well. They may go to the bathroom better in the morning [and] very easily. Again, they feel less stressed. But if people aren’t experiencing going to the bathroom better or if they might be feeling a bit dry, that could be because the castor oil pack is optimizing, cleansing, and detoxing. But water is in that equation. You need the fluid in the water to move things out of the system. So people may at times start to feel that they might get a bit dry or that they’re not going to the bathroom, and if that’s the case, they need to work on their hydration status. But this is actually quite rare, which I’m surprised about because I know our society is quite dehydrated. But it happens in situations where people are severely dehydrated. So that’s the major clinical notice that we find. Other than that, it’s really symptomology relief and people feeling better.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (12:40)

Do you find that some patients have to start slow too if they’re feeling the effects of constipation? And then just make sure you’re upping your water, keeping with it, and then moving up with time. Do you find that?

Dr. Marisol: (12:53)

It does help. For them, I would say, “Just do it for an hour before you go to bed at night. Inflammation is like a fire within the digestive tract and within the body, and the body needs water to down-regulate that inflammation. And then on top of it, if you’re also asking the body to cleanse better, detox better, and lymphatic drain better, well, then you also need fluids. So that’s where we get into this situation with castor oil packs, but it’s so minor, and it’s such a good problem to have. It helps you in your therapeutic decisions as well because then you [can] actually see, without having to even do a test, the level of dehydration. I use castor oil packs in the way that people would respond to them as ways to help in my clinical practice, cleansing, and detox.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (13:37)

Oh yes. We do that a lot with our patients, especially with really sensitive patients who can’t tolerate a lot at first. It’s such a gentle way to get things moving and get them feeling better so they can do more, right?

Dr. Marisol: (13:52)

Yes. And then [inaudible] that for those people and for the majority of our patients. I feel everyone, basically, has leaky gut and needs to do something every single day to balance it so they don’t have leaky gut. We’re all having problems with the absorbability of our foods and proper digestion of our foods. Like, we’re really having those issues. So with the castor oil pack and the supplements we’re taking, over time, people can start to take less supplements because their bodies absorb them better. And the food that they’re eating—that high-quality organic food that they’re getting wherever they’re getting it—the same deal; it absorbs better. So the therapeutic response is just so much faster. I am always like, “Wow, you really promote this strongly because you love it so much!” And sometimes I feel like I’m over talking about it, but it’s just over time…

Dr. Marisol: (14:42)

Yes. I was first introduced to castor oil packs 20 years ago and wouldn’t do them for 10 years because I thought that they were really woo-woo and stupid. [laughing] For 10 years, I was like: “No, no. I’m not doing that. Like, really, oil is absorbing through the skin? And really, it’s going to do all those things for me? Like, okay, who made that up?” And now, 20 years later, I’m the preacher for the castor oil packs because they’ve changed my life. It’s changed my mother’s life. She was dealing with stage four cancer, and it helped with her treatment. Of course, not the only thing. It’s always in combination with other things. And I’ve seen so much in clinical practice. So much.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (15:26)

So you have packs, I know, for the thyroid and liver. And then, aren’t there [ones] for your eyelashes or something?

Dr. Marisol: (15:31)

Oh, there’s everything, Dr. Becky!

Dr. Becky Campbell: (15:35)

Tell us about that.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (15:35)

Tell us it all, girlfriend!

Dr. Marisol: (15:37)

Oh yes! And more is coming soon because I use castor all over my body and have been prescribing and recommending it for decades with my patients. I’ve always been like: “How can I make it easier? How can I make it simpler to do?”—because it is a little inconvenient and it is a little bit different from what we’re used to. What made my practice was that I am diligent on physical exams. Every single person gets a physical exam every single year. On their first visit, not one gets out of my door… In fact, if they don’t want to do a physical exam, I will not accept them as patients because I need to see the whole picture.

Dr. Marisol: (16:16)

What I noticed in clinical practice doing physical exams with thousands of patients was that almost 90% of my female population had some kind of problem with cysts on their thyroid, and I could palpate them and feel them. And I became excellent at being able to clinically see them. Then I’d send them for an ultrasound, and sure enough, there were cysts. And I was shocked at how many people actually had cysts on their thyroid. I’m sure you see that too, because we’re doing the exact same thing with our patients. So I created the thyroid pack to make it super, super simple. And it is simply: Apply the oil topically on the thyroid and on the nodules. And then you just place your pack on your neck. And this one and the hair pack that you really don’t wear while you sleep—I mean, you could, but I don’t know how comfortable I would feel with something around my neck while I’m sleeping.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (17:15)

Yes, exactly. Plus, you don’t want to be liable for that, Marisol.

Dr. Marisol: (17:18)

I don’t want to be liable for that, so don’t wear it while sleeping.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (17:21)

[inaudible] disclaimer.

Dr. Marisol: (17:21)

Exactly, Becky. Yes. So that’s the one that really, really helps the thyroid. And then, when it comes to castor over the eyes, this is a very interesting aspect because compression medicine is compression medicine wherever you use it. And there’s a saying that goes, “The eyes are the window into the liver.” In traditional Chinese medicine, if you look at face mapping over the eyes and over the livers, here in the temple area is the gallbladder. Here we’ve got the spleen over the eyelids. FYI, [this is a] really, really great little hack: If people have styes in their eyes, wearing the castor oil compress works really, really well, as it does with conjunctivitis of the eye, allergic or pink eye, or any of those aspects. But the eye mask is simply the exact same thing as the castor oil pack. You take the eye mask, you apply the oil, you plop it on your eyes, and you wear it to sleep. And it supports the liver; it supports melatonin production even [when] wearing an eye mask. It really helps support so many things as well as cosmetically making us look better, which I love.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (18:29)

So is it okay if it gets in your eye?

Dr. Marisol: (18:34)

Yes. I mean, you’re not soaking the compress. You’re really wearing like a quarter teaspoon. It’s very, very little. And then you’re applying it onto the eye, and it’s safe. They actually do use castor oil in the eye for many treatments, [including] meibomian gland dysfunction and glaucoma, because of its anti-inflammatory effects and its ability to move the lymphatic system in this area. So [inaudible], it’s just really interesting.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (18:58)

That’s amazing. I actually started doing it on my eyebrows a little bit, and I did notice some changes when I was sticking with it, even with growth. It’s pretty cool. I’ve got to do it over the eyes, though. I haven’t ventured there yet.

Dr. Marisol: (19:12)

Yes. I love it on the hair. So I’m here at a clinic. I’m so sorry if there have been some noises. I told them not to go behind your open doors, but you know, you can’t control people. But the hair kit is what I love. My patient practice mainly was women between the ages of 30 till about 55, so hair loss was a big problem. Fertility issues was a big issue for me. Hashimoto’s was about 90% of my practice. Then, of course, we’d be dealing with other autoimmune diseases that would come in conjunction with Hashimoto’s, as they always do. So the hair pack for me was really powerful because castor oil on the hair can get messy. And again, how are you going to do that? So that was a big move that we made. And it’s amazing the testimonials and the response on the hair pack because you don’t need much castor oil for your hair. You just need a little bit in your roots and then a little bit in the ends. And then you wear it like a cool little turbine that keeps everything clean.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (20:13)

You guys have to watch this on YouTube if you’re not [already doing so] because Marisol’s been showing a lot of the products. They’re really cool.

Dr. Marisol: (20:20)

Yes. I mean, I’m just doing it really quickly. I didn’t take the time to do it properly. But you wear this pack over your hair for an hour, and it has the same function. And I should tell you that a [common] fear of people is that they’re worried about using castor oil, say, on their face, because they know it grows hair. So they don’t want to grow hair in inappropriate places, especially those with [conditions] like PCOS or androgen problems. But Castor oil—never fear—is regulatory. It’ll do what the body is meant to do there. It won’t, like, supercharge and… You’re not going to become Godzilla a couple of times by using it. It won’t happen. But it will help to naturally support the growth of eyebrows and eyelashes that many people are losing. We do have an entire cosmetic line coming out very shortly.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (21:18)

Ooh, that’s sweet!

Dr. Marisol: (20:21)

Oh yes. Oh yes. Yes, because the thing is this: There’s a lot available on the market, but the quality’s not there.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (21:31)

Speaking of quality, what are some important considerations when you’re choosing a castor oil?

Dr. Marisol: (21:39)

So awesome. Castor oil—number one, the most important thing before pressing ‘buy,’ it needs to be in a glass bottle. Don’t press ‘buy’ if it’s not in a glass bottle. You can’t get around with castor oil because how you do it is as important as doing it. And castor oil is one of the most amazing carrier oils. It brings things into the body. If it is packaged in plastic, it will absorb the plastic. It will. That plastic will likely go into your system. And plastic isn’t a great thing for our system. Hormonally, it’s a disruptor. We don’t need these things in the system. And you can find castor oil in glass. We carry it. I think we’re in the main producers of castor oil in glass. But it is absolutely imperative for castor oil to be in glass. It’s such a key.

Dr. Marisol: (22:26)

And then, [another consideration is] the quality of the oil and how it’s sourced. It must be organic. Again, you don’t want any chemicals added to its production. It must be hexane-free. Same thing. Hexane is a chemical added to many oils to extract them. But castor oil should be cold-pressed and pure. And if the cold press is of good quality, like [when] it’s taken from the first batch after being pressed, it’ll be extra virgin. So ours is extra virgin. We work with our producers in order to get the first press. We want the first press because we want the highest amount of antioxidants possible.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (23:05)

Nice. And your bottles are brown too, right? Can you explain that a little bit?

Dr. Marisol: (23:13)

Yes. That’s for light corruption. So brown bottled glasses. You’ll notice pharmaceuticals often come in these bottles, and that is truly to prevent any damage because heat will damage castor oil. You want cold-pressed, not heat-pressed. And then light, of course, will damage anything that is high in antioxidants. So we want to keep that completely protected. So that’s the oil.

Dr. Marisol: (23:32)

But then the pack is the same thing too; you’ve got to be cautious with what you’re buying. The castor oil pack was originally promoted to be done only with organic cotton and organic wool. There have been new packs coming out that are made of organic bamboo. But buyer beware, because organic bamboo, although it might sound healthy, isn’t necessarily always the best material. The processing of cotton, if it’s not sprayed, is simple, easy, and clean. Bamboo, on the other hand, may be organically grown because it grows like a weed in four years really rapidly. It’s a material that’s used in construction, and it’s as strong as steel. But in order to take the fibers of bamboo and turn them into a flexible fiber like cotton, you need to use an enormous amount of chemicals that break down the bamboo fibers. Enormous. Like, caustic, super… not good chemicals on this material. So I had no idea of this, but really, by doing this, bringing castor packs to the market… I mean, I used to buy organic bamboo sheets. I got rid of them all. I only work with cotton in my life. Like, that’s it. I don’t want those chemicals coming into my skin. Sleeping wouldn’t be as bad a problem because you’re not using oil. But if you’re using an oil like castor oil or a carrier oil with these materials, you definitely do not want to be using any kind of material that may be made in a different way.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (25:11)

Wild.

Dr. Marisol: (25:12)

Yes, I had no idea. And actually, whenever I pulled people on organic bamboo, [inaudible], “Organic bamboo is healthier than organic cotton.” But it’s not.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (25:22)

It’s crazy what we have to be careful of, right?

Dr. Marisol: (25:26)

Yes. Yes. But with something like this, because it is self-care, it is therapeutic. I know the same goes for all the listeners and viewers is quality of supplements. You’re all buying high-quality/grade supplements as well, for a reason.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (25:39)

So what are some contraindications? If someone’s listening and they’re like, “Oh, is this right for me?” Is there anybody who shouldn’t be doing the castor oil packs?

Dr. Marisol: (25:48)

Yes. It’s completely contraindicated during pregnancy, so let’s not do it during pregnancy. That really is the biggest contraindication when it comes to castor oil packs. The rest is fine. There are some myths that you shouldn’t do castor packs during the postpartum period when you’re breastfeeding because people may be concerned that, if you’re cleansing or detoxing, something might be coming into the breast milk for the baby. However, the castor oil pack really works on simply reducing inflammation and stress, which are the two pillars of disease in our body. It doesn’t supercharge. It only helps it function better because you’re improving those aspects so your body can just do it better. If it’s less stressed and less inflamed, it can do what it’s doing better.

Dr. Marisol: (26:35)

But in order to put down that fear and not have people concerned or worried about it just because of the speculation there is out there, what we recommend during the postpartum period is simply to wear the pelvic pack—which is a bit of a larger pelvic pack—that you set on your ovaries and your uterus and over the lower area of your [inaudible]. And it doesn’t focus so much on the liver; it focuses more on putting the organs back in place after nine months and then birth—you know, putting things back in place and helping them to reset. Cesarean scars—so you can wear them after the cesarean scar is healed. Castor oil breaks down scar tissue. It’s excellent for keloids, so if someone is a keloid former and is concerned about that with their cesarean scar, castor oil packs are an amazing tool there too.

Dr. Marisol: (27:22)

Yes. So, other than that, there really are no contraindications because castor oil packs work well, and they work well for the majority of the population. Even kids can use them. We have a kids pack and [one for] small infants. In our practice, we would have moms do abdominal belly massages with the castor oil just to prevent colic and help the baby digest better in that first year when it’s developing that beautiful microbiome. And my babies in practice are so healthy. I look at them, and I’m like, “Wow! That made a difference.” And they were calm during their first years because their mom was doing castor oil packs. It was a great year for my moms’ in practice. They would love it. They were always really surprised because they were worried about what their friends said.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (28:10)

Yes.

Dr. Marisol: (28:11)

Right. They’re like, “All my friends say it’s horrible the first year! And I’m like, “Wow, mine’s actually not that bad when I talk to my friends.” And they loved it. So it was great. It was great because it’s a tough time in women’s lives too.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (28:24)

Colic is hard.

Dr. Marisol: (28:27)

Oh, colic! And you’re feeling bad, and you’re tired. You’re like, “Oh God!” Yes. So it’s just such a great thing in that aspect, for sure.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (28:38)

Well, Dr. Marisol gave us a code that you guys can use, and you get a discount. We literally have all of our patients start with this. Like 95% of our patients, they have one of your packs. We use them. And the great thing about these, too, is that you can use them over and over. And then you can wash them, right?

Dr. Marisol: (29:00)

Yes. You do want to replace them after about two to three months. And the reason for that is that it’s still unclear—unsure. Again, castor moves toxins in, but we don’t know if it could potentially also move them back into the pack. So we want to be cautious there. [After] around two or three months, we ask people to replace the pack. And that’s, of course, with regular use. So that’s someone who’s using it every single day. That’ll help with that.

Dr. Marisol: (29:21)

One other little thing that I forgot to mention is that if someone is trying to conceive, we do work with our packs a little bit differently. So I’ll just quickly take a moment there. Trying to conceive—what we do is we do the packs only during the first two weeks during the follicular phase, so from the start of the period to the start of ovulation. Or we pause them if they have had sexual intercourse or sex anywhere between days 10 and 15. So if they don’t have intercourse until day 15, that’s great. If they have intercourse on day 10, they stop their pack. And we do that because, again, of the caution when it comes to pregnancy.

Dr. Marisol: (29:58)

And sometimes what people do is use the liver pack one night and the pelvic pack the other night. Yes. The liver pack—one night. The pelvic pack—the other night. And that’s in active conception. If they’re doing a uterus cleanse, not trying to actively conceive, and they want to clean up their body—maybe their partner does too—you can time it. You can time castor oil packs like you do seed cycling. In the first phase, the follicular phase, it’s all about estrogen dominance and inflammation because that first part of follicular phase is when the body is helping to break down things with inflammation to get them moving out for moontime. The body wants things clean for moontime because the body is genius. Our goal is procreation, so we want moontime in order for us to be clean, right? And then, that way, when we’re in that moontime in the luteal phase—and we’re getting pregnant, we’re pregnant—we’re clean.

Dr. Marisol: (30:55)

And then in the second phase, all the energies go towards the ovaries and the uterus—all your like energies but also your blood circulation—everything is feeding that important area. So then you flip over and wear the pelvic pack on your pelvic region for that time. And you can re-regulate hormones and maintain it back to like a period cycle like you had pre-perimenopause. So keeping it on, you’re like 28–30 days with the hormonal cycling. But you do have to be diligent. You’ve got to practice, and you’ve got to take care of yourself, but it can work. So, regulating periods with these packs is simple. And many practitioners recommend seed cycling. But I know clinically for me in my practice and even personally, I couldn’t eat that many seeds for so long, and my gut hurt.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (31:47)

Yes.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (31:47)

Yes. I feel you.

Dr. Marisol: (31:48)

Yes. I was like: “I can’t do that. Like, there’s no way.” But with castor oil packs, I totally could because it just made it simple to do.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (31:54)

They’re so easy, you guys. Like anyone listening, you have no idea. You literally pour a little bit on, rub it together, put it on, and you forget about it. We love these packs! Like, we are obsessed with these packs.

Dr. Marisol: (32:09)

You can wear them in the sauna. You can wear them while you exercise. I mean, it’s just so simple. If you start to get stomach upset, like maybe you have IBS or what have you, put the pack on—almost immediate relief. I travel with it. I don’t leave home without my castor oil packs.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (32:27)

Yes, it’s true. It’s true.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (32:30)

So just to reiterate—sorry, Beck, I have one more question for her.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (32:32)

No, you’re good. You’re good.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (32:29)

So if someone isn’t trying to conceive and they’re cycling, can you just tell me one more time when they should wear the castor oil pack? The follicular phase, and then the pelvic pack in the luteal phase—is that what you’re saying?

Dr. Becky Campbell: (32:48)

She’s saying, I think if you’re trying to conceive—

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (32:45)

Oh, you’re back. Okay.

Dr. Marisol: (32:53)

I heard, “So if someone is trying to conceive,” and… I didn’t hear—

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (32:57)

So if someone is not trying to conceive and is in their cycling phase, when should they wear the pack? Which pack? When? I just want to make sure the listeners hear that.

Dr. Marisol: (33:07)

Yes. I think it just really depends on what their predominant problem is. If their predominant problem is like a hormonal picture, and they’re just like, “I’m a mess hormonally,” then you’re cycling with the moontime. So you start with a liver pack at bleed. Ovulation—switch over to the pelvic pack. If digestive problems are more of an issue, like if it’s more like leaky gut, IBS, Crohn’s colitis, or those types of things, then we work more with a castor oil liver pack and wear the eye compress because for them, a lot of it is inflammation. And if you can dry brush in the morning to clean out the lymphatic system, [that’s beneficial]. So that’s kind of the good protocol that we typically work with.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (33:42)

Very cool.

Dr. Marisol: (33:43)

Yes. Oh yes. What I love about medicine is simplicity. And what I love about it is the ancient. I love the ancient made modern. I also love my modern bells and whistles. I’m a good supplement junkie as well. [inaudible] and other things for sure. But I love combining the ancient with modern wisdom because now we know so much from our research and can prove the ancient philosophies. We can actually see it, look at it, and be like, “Wow!” A lot of the research on castor oil—some of it is specifically on castor oil packs, but a lot of it is based on our medicine, like periodontal medicine using castor oil. We’ve got some great studies in terms of dermatological medicine and the ability to move through the different dermises and layers of the skin. So now a lot of the castor oil pack practice can be proven in modern science. So [with] what people/practitioners have been doing for eons—what they knew worked anyways without the research—now we can feel really comfortable that they work. They are being researched now as well.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (34:43)

Very cool.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (34:49)

Well, this has been so great. We were so excited to have you, and you’ve given us so much great information. And like I said, she gave us a code. So if you guys look in the show notes, you’ll see the link. And if you use that link, you’ll get a discount on all of this stuff, and you’ll get to see what everything looks like. Her website is really great. So other than that, where can people find you?

Dr. Marisol: (35:12)

Yes, they can find me on Instagram: @QueenoftheThrones. But also my own personal one, which is: @SellHealthWell.  People always think it’s the cell in our bodies.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (35:26)

Yes, that’s what I was thinking.

Dr. Marisol: (35:26)

But it’s not. It’s actually to sell because that’s my platform where I help teach people, mainly practitioners, about how to prescribe these packs and how to work with them in their practice.

Dr. Krystal Hohn: (35:29)

Very cool.

Dr. Marisol: (35:26)

Yes. Yes. So find us there and, of course, on our website, www.queenofthethrones.com. Please use the link and the code, and it’ll take you there. And enjoy what we have to offer for people.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (35:49)

Well, thank you so much for coming on.

Dr. Marisol: (35:52)

Oh, I’m so pleased. Thank you. It’s been too long waiting, and I’m glad we got a chance to do this. So thanks.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (35:50)

Yes.

Dr. Becky Campbell: (35:59)

Thank you, guys, so much for listening to this episode. And if you love this episode, please leave a review. It only takes a couple of minutes, and you can find out more about us on DrBeckyCampbell.com. And you can follow us over at Instagram on @HealthBabesPodcast, @DrBeckyCampbell, and @DrKrystalHohn. Have an amazing day!